Today, IRA obtained the 41 minute pretext call between David Lee Hamblin and his daughter Katherine Hamblin, in which he apologized to his daughter for raping her. The apology takes place at 11:23, and the conversation continues for another 30 minutes. Throughout the call, Hamblin attempts to acknowledge what he did while distancing himself from accountability. He acknowledges possible abuse in his childhood and the childhood of his older sister Mary Carol Hamblin, and he named Iowa and St. Louis as the locations of that abuse.
Hamblin says that he believes a different part of him, and he specifically says the cult has a way of splitting off a part of somebody and creating a subspiritual entity within someone, and that the entity can come out without the awareness of the host. This occurs at 23:32. The statement is extraordinary because it is an acknowledgment of the cult, which is exactly what Katherine Hamblin and her sisters claimed in their victims statements.
Katherine Hamblin also stated when her older sisters Rachel and Eliza testified that she had no memories of the abuse, they were testifying even though they had never asked her about those memories at 10:21. At 23:08, Hamblin said he has no conscious memory of abusing any child, but he apologized to his daughter for raping her earlier in the call, and followed that by acknowledging the existence of a cult that could dissociate people who would then abuse children. He emphatically said he knows that the cult can and does dissociate people who then abuse others. He says “that’s what the cult does.”
When he is prompted by his daughter, Hamblin elaborates by defining the cult as “a fragmented organization,” rather than “a coherent entity.” He blamed his issues in the Nineties on his discovery of cults who were abusing his patients. Hamblin repeatedly pivots to blaming his ex wife Roselle, and said he met with Roselle when Miriam Hamblin wanted to to leave the country to go perform on a musical, and she needed his permission. During the conversation, Hamblin claimed that Roselle acknowledged lying about him.
Hamblin says that he conducts healing circles once a week in Provo at a home, and his daughter asks where she can meet him for those circles. He deflects, saying that he is uncomfortable with the public, only to then tell his daughter she can bring thirty people, including her bishop or anybody she wants. He says he doesn’t believe he would do so well at his healing circle with her memories of abusing her when her turn came up. He wanted to sit and talk first, with just his daughter and her support group.
At around 32 minutes into the call, Hamblin relates the memory of a person who remembered a father raping his daughter and her friend during a backyard campout. The father was purportedly dissociated and did not come to until after the rape, and then realized what he did and was horrified. The father forbade the friend from coming over to the house. This disclosure occurs when his daughter says she doesn’t understand how he doesn’t remember the abuse he inflicted on her. David Hamblin tells her that he’s talking about a split in a person’s spirit, where one spirit would rape a child and the other wouldn’t.
He said if he didn’t know what he knew, he would say his daughter had a false memory. Due to his experience as a therapist and a medicine man, he knows that the abuse occurs in the context he outlines in order to distance himself from accountability for raping his daughter. What strains credulity is that Hamblin repeatedly acts as if he is hearing allegations of abuse from his daughter for the first time, when two of his daughters alleged that he abused them in 2003 during their testimony.
Hamblin explicitly stated that he had already been accused and found guilty of abuse in his divorce proceedings, and he claimed that his ex wife Roselle spent $160,000 in the divorce proceedings. He again denies conscious knowledge of committing the abuse. Throughout the call, Hamblin never once denies the abuse. He closes by inviting his daughter to meet him at his apartment, and she says she will bring her husband Weston Baxter.
The call is a damning piece of evidence that further illustrates the absurdity of Utah County’s position: David Lee Hamblin apologized to his daughter for raping her, acknowledged the existence of an abuse cult, and never once denied the allegations against him. He acknowledged being found guilty in his divorce trial for abusing his older daughters, and Utah County still dismissed the charges against him even with the recording. The allegations against Hamblin were never adjudicated in either a pretrial hearing or by a jury.
If the Hamblin sisters had ever had their day in court before a jury, their testimony and the pretext call audio would have likely resulted in their father’s conviction for sexual abuse. Instead, the prosecution moved to dismiss the charges and acted as though it couldn’t locate discoverable evidence, much of which has since been located by IRA or law enforcement. If prosecutors had done their jobs, and fought for a conviction, there would likely have been other additional convictions involving victims who would have come forward due to their confidence in a system that put David Lee Hamblin in prison for abusing his daughters. Those victims had their confidence destroyed in 2014, and they’ve had their confidence destroyed again in 2025 with the dismissal of the Sheets case.
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